Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine Saginaw S’G’ .30 Rare Semi Automatic Rifle C&R
SOLD FOR: $6214
LSB#: 211006MW04
Make: Irwin-Pedersen. Grand Rapids, Michigan
Model: M1 Carbine
Serial Number: 1767065
Year of Manufacture: 1942 to 1944. Barrel Date: March, 1943
Caliber: .30 Carbine
Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine
Markings: There is no visible import mark. The top front of the receiver is marked “U.S. CARBINE / CAL. .30 M1.” and the top rear is marked “IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1767065”. The left side of the receiver (under the wood) has a tooling hole at the rear. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw S’G’ receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Riesch’s book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). The top of the barrel is marked “UNDERWOOD / 3 – 43” and “P”. Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). The barrel flat is marked with a “flaming bomb”. The trigger group is marked “IP” on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). The hammer is marked “IP” which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 89). The magazine release is marked “IP-W” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 100-101). The smooth push button safety is marked “IP-W” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 95). The inside of the operating slide is marked “IP” which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 65). The bolt is marked “IP” on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 36). The front sight is marked “6” on the left and “N” on the top which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and others (page 56). The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial “S” on the left, “RP” on the right, and “RP” on the front of the aperture which are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). The Type IA barrel band is marked “UP” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 59). The underside of the handguard is marked with a “flaming bomb” and a partial “IR-IP” stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 138). The sling well is marked “IR-IP” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 108 – 109). The edge of the buttplate is marked “PM-IP” which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 111). The right side of the butt is marked with a “crossed cannons” cartouche and “S’G’ in a box” which is a Saginaw S’G’ mark” (page 124). The bottom of the grip is marked with a “circled P” proof. The magazine is marked “I-P-K” upside down which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark not listed in our source material (page 142 -143). Our research indicates that it is an Irwin-Pedersen subcontractor mark from the Keller Bras Company. The sling is marked with a blurred stamping between the buckle & strap. It appears to read “S. A. / 44”.
Barrel Length: Approximately 18 Inches
Sights / Optics: The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture.
Stock Configuration & Condition: The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. The buttplate shows light scrapes & some discoloration along the edge. The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. The most prominent marks are on the handguard. These marks have been oiled. The LOP measures 13 ¼ inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. The stock rates in about Very Good Plus overall condition.
Type of Finish: Parkerized
Finish Originality: Original
Bore Condition: The muzzle and grooves are light gray. The rifling is sharp. There is light erosion at the muzzle. There is fouling and intermittent light erosion in the grooves. The bore shows an M.E. of 0.5.
Overall Condition: This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. The right side of the receiver shows some thinning from cycling. Most of the markings are deep. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition.
Mechanics: The action functions correctly. We did not fire this rifle. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements.
Box, Paperwork & Accessories: The rifle has a canvas sling attached. It shows light soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes & discoloration on the metal. It is in about Very Good Plus to Fine condition. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. The magazine shows scrapes, thin scratches, and discoloration from oxidation. It is in about Good condition.
The 15 round magazine is not available to residents of California or any other state with magazine capacity restrictions.
Our Assessment: The M1 Carbine was developed and produced after WWII started. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. The M1 Carbine was widely issued to U.S. Military Forces which numbered over 16 million during WWII. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII.
Irwin-Pederson M1 Carbines are RARE. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors.
Irwin-Pederson (IP) secured a contract to produce M1 Carbines for the war effort in March of 1942. Irwin-Pedersen ran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. Saginaw S’G’ took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ parts. Irwin-Pedersen had assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw S’G’ after they took over the contract.
There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked “S.G.” or “SG”. Saginaw Carbines made at the Irwin-Pedersen Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked “ S’G’ ”. Saginaw marked the Grand Rapids factory M1 Carbines S’G’ to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant.
This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses almost all original Irwin-Pedersen parts that were made prior to Saginaw S’G’ taking over. The Underwood barrel is original. Irwin-Pedersen did not produce barrels. Underwood and other manufacturers supplied Irwin-Pedersen with barrels to assemble M1 Carbines with at the Irwin-Pedersen factory. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw S’G’ stock made after S’G’ took over the factory, but it was still made in the same factory as the previous Type I Irwin-Pedersen stocks. This rare Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine is in Very Good Plus condition. It has seen some use but most of the markings are in great shape. This M1 Carbine will stand out in any collection. Good luck.