SOLD FOR: $4525
Make: Irwin-Pedersen. Grand Rapids, Michigan
This M1 Carbine uses all original parts.
Model: M1 Carbine
Serial Number: 1782247
Year of Manufacture: 1942 to 1944. No specific manufacture dates are listed due to reasons explained on pages 24 to 26 of Scott Duff’s book, The M1 Carbine Owner’s Guide.
Barrel Date: March, 1943
Caliber: .30 Carbine
Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine
Markings: There is no import mark. The top front of the receiver is marked “U.S. CARBINE / CAL. .30 M1.” and the top rear is marked “IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1782247”. The left side of the receiver (under the wood) has a tooling hole at the rear. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw S’G’ receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Riesch’s book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). The top of the barrel is marked “UNDERWOOD / 3 – 43 / flaming bomb” and “P”. Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). The barrel flat is marked with a partial “flaming bomb”. The trigger group is marked “IP” on the right rear which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 78). The hammer is marked “IP” which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 89). The magazine release is marked “IP-W” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 100-101). The smooth push button safety is marked “IP-W” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 95). The inside of the operating slide is marked “IP” which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 65). The bolt is marked “IP” on the right lug which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 36). The front sight is marked “IPN” which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 56). The Type I rear sight is marked “S” on the left, “RP” on the right and “RP” on the face of the front of the aperture. These are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). The Type IA barrel band is marked “UP” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 59). The underside of the handguard is marked “IR-IP” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 138). The sling well is marked with a small “flaming bomb” and “IR-IP” which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ (page 108 – 109). The marking on the edge of the buttlate appears to have been lost to surface erosion (page 111). The right side of the butt is marked with a “crossed cannons” cartouche and “IP in a box” which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 124). The magazine is marked “IP-” which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark. The last letter has been lost to surface erosion and refinishing. The full marking should be “IP-I” or “IP-K” (page 142 -143).
Barrel Length: Approximately 18 Inches
Sights / Optics: The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture.
Stock Configuration & Condition: The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. The buttplate shows scrapes, scratches and surface erosion. The stock shows several scrapes & scratches. Most of these marks are light and have been oiled. The wood shows discoloration next to the buttplate. The LOP measures 13 1/4 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. The stock rates in about Very Good Plus overall condition.
Type of Finish: Parkerized
Finish Originality: Original
Bore Condition: The bore is mostly bright. The muzzle and the grooves near the muzzle are light gray. The rifling is sharp. There is erosion at the muzzle and in the grooves near the muzzle. The bore shows an M.E. of 1.5.
Overall Condition: This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish. The metal shows scrapes, small scratches and thinning on the leading edges of the metal. The trigger group has been abrasively cleaned and refinished. The receiver shows small areas of thinning and discoloration from oxidation under the wood. The exposed portion of the barrel shows discoloration from both oxidation and oil. The receiver and bolt show operational wear. The markings are deep. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition.
Mechanics: The action functions correctly. We did not fire this rifle. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements.
Box, Paperwork & Accessories: The rifle comes with a green canvas sling and a 15 round magazine. The refinished magazine has surface erosion showing through the new finish. It also shows scrapes. It is in Very Good condition.
The 15 round magazine is not available to residents of California or any other state with magazine capacity restrictions.
Please see photos as to the condition of the listed items.
Our Assessment: The M1 Carbine was developed and produced after WWII started. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. The M1 Carbine was widely issued to U.S. Military Forces which numbered over 16 million during WWII. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII.
Irwin-Pederson M1 Carbines are RARE. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors.
Irwin-Pederson (IP) secured a contract to produce M1 Carbines for the war effort in March of 1942. Irwin-Pedersen ran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. Saginaw S’G’ took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw S’G’ parts. Irwin-Pedersen had assembled only 3,542 guns at the time, none of which were accepted by the government. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw S’G’ after they took over the contract.
There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. Saginaw Carbines made in the original Saginaw, Michigan factory are marked “S.G.” or “SG”. Saginaw Carbines made at the Irwin-Pedersen Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked “ S’G’ ”. Saginaw marked the Grand Rapids factory M1 Carbines S’G’ to differentiate them from the ones produced at the original Saginaw plant.
This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine uses all original parts that were made prior to Saginaw S’G’ taking over. Most of the parts have distinctive Irwin-Pedersen markings on them. It appears that the buttplate marking has been lost to surface erosion. Irwin-Pedersen is one of only 3 manufacturers who marked their buttplates. The Underwood barrel is original. Irwin-Pedersen did not produce barrels. Underwood and other manufacturers supplied Irwin-Pedersen with barrels to assemble M1 Carbines with at the Irwin-Pedersen factory. This rare Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine in Very Good Plus condition. It has seen some use but most of the markings are in great shape. This Irwin-Pedersen M1 Carbine will stand out in any collection. Good luck.